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  People Ban: Canada Ontario Ban Update Page 3
Posted on Monday, November 24 @ 05:51:28 EST by samantha
 
 
  Canada Ontario Ban Update




Auditorium accepts smoking comic‘s fine -ON
05/07/2010
KRIS KETONEN
The Thunder Bay Community Auditorium has been charged under the province‘s anti-smoking law because a performer lit up on stage this week.
Thunder Bay District Health Unit representatives levied a $365 fine because comedian Ron White smoked a cigar during his sold-out show Tuesday night.
The Auditorium has 15 days to voluntarily pay the fine, said Ken Ranta, the health unit‘s manager of tobacco programs.
An Auditorium spokesman said Thursday that the facility will pay the fine.
Ranta said the Auditorium was charged in lieu of White, who isn‘t a resident of Ontario.
“It‘s kind of a paper exercise,” he said of trying to charge White. “The Community Auditorium (is) certainly aware of and understand their role under the Smoke Free Ontario Act, and they acknowledged the fact that they would receive the fine.
“The Auditorium was pro-active. They gave us a shout, and said this is the situation, is there anything under the law that allows entertainers (to smoke).”
Ranta said there is no provision under the act that allows a performer to smoke on stage. Health unit staff decided to attend the show and make a decision as to a course of action when White lit up.
“In discussions with the Auditorium, it was decided to lay the charge there,” Ranta said.
Neither White nor his representatives could be reached for comment Thursday.
“He gets it everywhere,” Auditorium manager Bob Halvorsen said of White. “It‘s a non-smoking building, and that‘s the law.
“We have to abide by the law.”
He said entertainers are, for the most part, compliant. In White‘s case, however, cigar smoking is in his rider.
“It says ’entertainer smokes on stage,‘” Halvorsen said. “I guess if he can‘t smoke on stage, he doesn‘t perform.
“When you see something in a rider, you‘re supposed to follow it, and part of the rider is if you don‘t do something they don‘t have to perform. Now, whether he would enforce that, I don‘t know.”
Ranta said White is the first performer to be charged in Thunder Bay under the smoking ban. It nearly happened when Chicago was staged at the Auditorium in March 2009, but, again, Auditorium staff notified the health unit that the musical called for one character to smoke near the end. Ranta said the health unit didn‘t have any staff available to attend the performance and witness it.
“What we did . . . suggest was that if someone in the community witnessed the activity and lodged a complaint, we would certainly follow up and take that complaint as the basis of a charge,” Ranta said. “Nothing ever came forward.”
Thunder Bay‘s Magnus Theatre has also bumped up against the smoking ban, creative director Mario Crudo said Thursday.
So far, it has found ways to deal with it.
“One of the plays this year, Dead White Writer On the Floor, actually required one of the characters to smoke in the second act,” Crudo said. “Because the situation of that scene lent itself to the characters not smoking, we added a no smoking sign to that scene.
“But that character was showing signs of needing a cigarette, so it became quite interesting. And that was not in the script; it was something that we came up with in rehearsals and made work.”
Crudo, a former smoker, said another alternative is to use prop or herbal cigarettes.
Ranta confirmed that the Smoke Free Ontario Act is specific to tobacco products. If there‘s no tobacco, there‘s no offence.
It‘s getting to be less of an issue, Crudo said, as playwrights today are aware of smoking bans, and as such are generally keeping their plays and characters smoke-free.
But, he added, “you can still light your match . . . you can still appear to be smoking, and I think the audience these days accepts that.”
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Are these times of intolerance? -ON
Friday, May 7, 2010
DID you hear this one? So, a comedian goes on stage, and during his routine pulls out a cigar, lights up and proceeds to puff away during the show. He sure got ‘em fired up because the venue was charged under a provincial anti-smoking law.
Wow. And you thought some crowds were tough.
On the other hand, here‘s the classic definition of zero tolerance and how public officials will zealously enforce the letter of the law.
But it begs a question: have we gone too far with our laws? Surely the authorities can allow a little leeway in this case, that of comedian Ron White, who performed Tuesday at the Community Auditorium. Smoking a cigar is part of his shtick – as was the constant refills from a bottle of what could‘ve been single malt Scotch whisky, yet we haven‘t heard that the liquor inspectors have waded into this matter.
One attendee at White‘s show said she was close enough to the stage to actually smell the aroma of White‘s cigar, which could‘ve been a Churchill from the description we‘ve had. She didn‘t choke on the smoke or notice anyone else having a negative reaction.
The point is: how much of a public menace was White‘s cigar-smoking? Was it truly endangering someone‘s health? Were those audience-goers any more likely to inhale carcinogens on that occasion than they would standing at a curb while a dump truck idles at the red light?
There‘s such a thing as going overboard, and this looks like such a case.
It‘s like the call we received from an eagle-eyed reader who spotted one of our employees driving around the city, ostensibly talking on the cellphone. This event was deemed to be “totally shocking.” Perhaps. But it didn‘t happen quite the way it was described. Yes, the employee in question was driving with a cellphone in hand, momentarily, but the actual use of it was restricted to the wireless Bluetooth device they wear in their ear.
So much for breaking the law.
There are sound and reasonable laws that legislate against destructive behaviour (just read the Highway Traffic Act, for starters), but their application sometimes seem frivolous. Perhaps we need to lighten up a bit and not turn every misstep into a malicious attack on our morals and well-being.
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Advocates busy juggling numbers
February 4, 2010
By Michael J. McFadden, Windsor Star
Your Jan. 28 editorial on unneeded and unwanted outdoor smoking bans was well done.
My only quibble is the The Star finally notes the misleading nature of the polls and statistics used by anti-smoking advocates when they're used in this particular argument.
But advocates have always seemed relatively unaware of their past transgressions in this regard. Juggling numbers and lying in various tricky ways to socially engineer a resisting populace into accepting such things as bar/club smoking bans is nothing new for these groups.
Michael J. McFadden,
Philadelphia, Pa.
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Re: "We need to crack down on smugglers" (Letters, Nov. 23).
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
The Gazette
I disagree with Dave Bryans's contention that we need to crack down on cigarette smugglers. If the government didn't tax us to death there would be no need to smuggle tobacco.
If the government can rob us legally, why not allow a smuggler to make money from us to better their standard of living? That's where I would choose to give my money.
Kristina Tellier, LaSalle
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We need to crack down on smugglers
Sunday, November 23, 2008
The Gazette
The police pursuit of an alleged contraband tobacco smuggler that resulted in the deaths of two innocent people outside Cornwall, Ont. last week must give us pause.
We know the problem with illegal cigarettes is out of control. We know that these cigarettes are ending up in the hands of kids who shouldn't be smoking at all. The RCMP tells us that the problem is worse than in the 1990s and the latest figures show that half of all cigarettes in Ontario and Quebec are illegal. The tragic deaths really bring home the dangers these criminal smugglers pose to our communities.
If we're going to turn the tide on this problem, enforcement is important, of course, but with the flood of contraband tobacco entering Canada, no number of police can stop its flow.
We need our government to use the policy levers at their disposal to make it tougher for smugglers to make the easy money they've been raking in. It's time for some bold action.
Keep arresting the smugglers and crooks behind this massive black-market trade, but let's not leave the burden of fighting this war on the shoulders of police alone. It might take some tough decisions that aren't necessarily popular, but it's time for Ottawa and the provinces to step up and put the smugglers out of business.
Dave Bryans, National Coalition Against Contraband Tobacco
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Smoking out the solution
Saturday, November 22, 2008
Neco Cockburn The Ottawa Citizen
A jurisdictional nightmare in the Akwesasne Mohawk Territory has nurtured the cross-border business of running cigarettes and other contraband across the St. Lawrence. A past mayor of Cornwall once lamented that his city had become a 'Dodge City East' with firebombings, shootouts and countless high-speed chases. Since then, it sometimes seems as though little has changed in the fight against smuggling. But what do you do when many people don't consider it a crime? Neco Cockburn reports.
CORNWALL - The sweeping metal dinosaur skeleton that is the Seaway International Bridge looms over rubble and old smokestacks at the former Domtar paper mill, near the bank of the St. Lawrence River.
One industry is dead, but another flourishes on the back of the beast.
Officers spot a small black car headed into Cornwall and riding low. It is coming from Akwesasne Mohawk Territory at the other end of the bridge.
The New York State licence plate is run through a computer and the registered owner's background is checked.
Unmarked vehicles tail the car through the city, driving north along Brookdale Avenue, through a Tim Hortons drive-through lane and along the road until the female driver pulls into a parking lot.
The woman is approached and asked to open the trunk.
Negative, an officer relays to the team.
The crew reassembles and waits along one of the most infamous smuggling routes in Canada.
It's an area where 50 or more boats loaded with tobacco products speed across the St. Lawrence River from the U.S. side of Akwesasne Mohawk Territory each day before "runners" leave Cornwall Island and drive across the bridge to the mainland, according to one officer.
Smuggling has always carried risks, not just for lawbreakers, but the public.
Former Cornwall mayor Ron Martelle once described events in his city during the 1990s as "rival smugglers exchanging gunfire across the river, houses sprayed with automatic weapon fire and firebombed, countless high-speed chases, the bombings and destruction of a shopping mall, and bullets ripping through the doors of Cornwall's Civic Centre and nearby Federal Building."
Almost two decades later, the spotlight has again turned to the area after a suspected cigarette smuggler and a senior couple from upstate New York died in a collision on the island Nov. 14. A van driven by the 21-year-old man slammed into a car containing Edward and Eileen Kassian, both 77, of Massena, New York, about 20 kilometres southwest of Cornwall.
A funeral for the Kassians was held yesterday.
Anger over their deaths lingers, although much of it is directed at police who chased the suspected smuggler, rather than smuggling itself.
Many people simply shrug at smuggling. Some blame the federal government for high taxes on tobacco. Others say contraband running will continue, just as it has for years, whether shipments involved fuel, humans, booze, drugs, guns or cigarettes.
Concerns about the economy on the Canadian side, highlighted by the closing of the Domtar mill and cuts at Satisfied Brake Products, were more pressing during the recent federal election campaign.
From the start, the layout of the area has given smugglers a foothold. Borders split the Mohawk territory between Ontario, Quebec and New York State, creating a jurisdictional nightmare. A policing potpourri of 13 law enforcement and customs agencies oversee bits and pieces of designated areas, while trying to pool their efforts and information.
Cornwall Mayor Bob Kilger calls the multiple jurisdictions a "field of dreams for illegal activity."
"It's a minefield for law enforcement and those people who try to live as law-abiding citizens," adds the mayor.
- - -
By now, supply lines are well-entrenched. Crime groups enlist members and runners of all ages.
Outside St. Joseph's Catholic Secondary School, Tony Thomas, 18, said it's easy for students to get into tobacco running through connections with relatives or other students.
Students cite the Domtar closing and say employment opportunities seem bleak. Smuggling, they say, is seen by some as an easy way to make quick money, sometimes hundreds of dollars per trip.
"You make bank, man," said Samantha Stitt, 16, calling it "white-collar crime."
Mayor Kilger calls it a "cop-out" to blame the attraction to smuggling to downturns in the manufacturing sector. Although the mayor acknowledged that blows to the sector have caused lower disposable incomes, he said the city's unemployment rate is lower than national and provincial averages.
"Doing the wrong thing, making the wrong choices? There's no justification through the closure or the reduction of the manufacturing sector," he said. "That's got more to do with a lower level of education."
- - -
Goods have been smuggled for as long as there's been a border. Natives in the early 1780s sidestepped customs officers to market baskets on both sides of the line.
In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Mohawks acted as middlemen, selling untaxed cigarettes. At that time, then-mayor Mr. Martelle wore a bulletproof vest, called smugglers the "scum of the earth" and referred to his city as "Dodge City East."
He blamed the smuggling and the bombing of pool hall and gymnasium in 1992 on organized crime. At one point he went into hiding, saying his life and the lives of his family had been threatened.
After the mid-'90s, the federal government cut taxes as part of an attempt to curb smuggling. Human trafficking increased, according to police.
The security crackdown following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the U.S. made smuggling people too risky. And cigarette taxes and duties were restored to their pre-1994 level by 2002 and have risen since, police said.
With many of an estimated 12 factories on the U.S. side of Akwesasne now making cigarettes for $2 a carton, it's only too easy for smugglers to ship them across the St. Lawrence River by boat to temporary warehouses on the Canadian side.
There, some smugglers may rip backseats out of cars and fill them with cardboard boxes of cigarettes, or load trailers with black garbage bags of fine-cut tobacco destined for other cigarette manufacturers before heading across the bridge.
Smoke shacks on reserves sell the cigarettes for about $6 a carton, while legal cartons of cigarettes carry a price of $75 to $90 each -- about 70 to 75 per cent of which is federal and provincial taxes, according to police.
The RCMP, which released a Contraband Tobacco Enforcement Strategy earlier this year, says seizures have increased as police forces work on combining their efforts and educating the public.
Cornwall-area RCMP have seized hundreds of cars, trucks, boats and trailers over the past year, along with more than 253,000 cartons of cigarettes and almost 27,150 kilograms of fine-cut tobacco, said RCMP Sgt. Michael Harvey.
He said 42 organized crime groups are involved in the illicit tobacco trade in the Cornwall-Valleyfield, Que. area, ranging from mom-and-pop operations to traditional criminal groups.
- - -
Police are seeing an increase in people fleeing from officers
as smuggling becomes more brazen and runners panic, Sgt. Harvey said.
"They're speeding, they're not obeying the stop signs," he said, adding that smugglers or their scouts have surrounded, rammed or interfered with cruisers. Officers have had bullets fired in the air over their heads and rocks thrown at them.
That harkens to the days of Mr. Martelle. The former mayor, who died of cancer in 2001, took a more militant approach regarding law enforcement and probably would have been "more prone to accepting the reduction of taxes to curtail the activity," said Mr. Kilger, who was his good friend.
Mr. Kilger considers his approach more balanced, relying on his experience of more than 15 years as the area's MP. He said he does not believe lower tobacco taxes benefit society.
"We saw government reduce taxes and we saw smoking percentages go up, specifically amongst youth. You increase taxes, you see percentages go down, particularly amongst youth," he said. "Maybe it doesn't reflect itself quite as clearly in Cornwall because of the proximity and the amount available. But nationally, from a policy perspective, it is a very, very difficult thing to balance.
"I still think you need a fairly aggressive taxation policy on that commodity. If you lower it beyond a certain level ... the health of people, which is a hell of a lot more important, and all those related costs, will skyrocket."
- - -
Taxes are only part of the cigarette story for many Mohawks living on Akwesasne.
In a way, tobacco has come to symbolize battles over jurisdiction and authority. Some people living on the island believe it is their right to trade with other native communities and are dissatisfied that they are policed by what they see as outside rules.
"It's smuggling when Canada says it's smuggling," said island resident Lloyd Benedict.
Some, like Doug George-Kanentiio, a writer and former editor of Akwesasne Notes magazine, call for elimination of the border.
"Mohawks have to have one government that oversees the entire community, and we have to have the physical means of enforcing our own law," he said.
In the late 1980s, Mr. George-Kanentiio sat on the Mohawk Nation's business committee, drafting proposals for changing the structure of the tobacco trade.
The committee called for the regulation of native tobacco products and negotiation with Canada for a cross-border trade agreement that would allow the Mohawks to legitimately deliver the product to other native communities, Mr. George-Kanentiio said. Under the plan, money would go back to the community, he said.
But infighting started -- some people didn't want to see their profits decrease -- and the idea was torn apart. Leadership backed off.
"We didn't have the collective will to tackle this in its infancy, when it should have been (done)," he said.
Former Akwesasne Grand Chief Mike Mitchell remembers police officers telling him there were contracts on his life from Montreal when he called for regulation of the cigarette trade. Mr. Mitchell said he now believes governments and people on both sides have roles to play.
"There's a little education involved here for them to realize it's not the community that's getting rich. They're not benefiting from this. It's a handful of individuals that are benefiting. If the regulation, the control was put in place, those people would have to be accountable to the community and its people," Mr. Mitchell said.
At the same time, he said the federal government needs to loosen its grip on the Canadian side of the territory.
"They don't realize that it's far better to have the nation step up and say, 'We'll take control of it,' than the denial at every level, so long as this issue's been an issue ... of any recognition of authority in governance, in aboriginal rights.
"A lot of these things will resolve themselves when the authority does come from the people."
Some people have said more policing is the answer, but Mr. George-Kanentiio said that could lead to further problems, especially if more police move to the Akwesasne territory.
"It's going to lead to a standoff and some people are going to get seriously hurt. I think (the solution) has to come internally," he said. "How do you remove the criminal element from this kind of activity? You legitimize things. Canadian authorities work with the Mohawk leadership and try to find a way to control this."
In Cornwall, Mr. Kilger said it would be interesting if federal government officials had discussions with U.S. counterparts about the operation of cigarette manufacturing plants on the U.S. side of the territory, "and at that level maybe we could find some common ground."
He said he has worked on the file, on and off, for the better part of two decades.
During that time, guns have been fired, vehicles have been searched and Mr. and Mrs. Kassian, a husband and wife from 51 Windsor Rd. in Massena, have died in a fiery collision at an island intersection at 8 p.m. on a Friday.
"If we'd ever thought of an easy solution -- a long-lasting solution, a stable, permanent solution -- I'd like to think that we could have nailed her down by now," Mr. Kilger said this week.
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Time to put smugglers out of business
Posted Nov 21, 2008
The police pursuit of an alleged contraband tobacco smuggler that resulted in the deaths of two innocent people must give us pause. We know the problem with illegal cigarettes is out of control. We know that these cigarettes are ending up in the hands of kids who shouldn't be smoking at all.
The RCMP tells us that the problem is worse than in the 1990's and the latest figures show that half of all cigarettes in Ontario are illegal. The tragic deaths we're now reading about really bring home the dangers these criminal smugglers pose to our communities.
If we're going to turn the tide on this problem, enforcement is of course important, but with the flood of contraband tobacco entering Canada no amount of police can stop its flow. We need our government to use the policy levers at their disposal to make it tougher for smugglers to make the easy money they've been raking in. It's time for some bold action.
Keep arresting the smugglers and crooks behind this massive black market trade, but let's not leave the burden of fighting this war on the shoulders of police alone.
It might take some tough decisions that aren't necessarily popular, but its time for Ottawa and the provinces step up and put the smugglers out of business.
Dave Bryans, National Coalition Against Contraband Tobacco
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Dear Mayor and Councilors, Smuggling, Taxes, and more...

November 22, 2008
 
While reading yet another story about cigarette smuggling today I ran across this quote from Mayor Bob Kilger: "I still think you need a fairly aggressive taxation policy on that commodity. If you lower it beyond a certain level ... the health of people, which is a hell of a lot more important, and all those related costs, will skyrocket."
 
I would agree that if taxes were substantially lower you would probably have more people smoking and that their health would probably suffer from it... but probably not as much as you might think.
 
What you need to realize is that the antismoking lobby lies to you constantly, maybe not quite as much as Big Tobacco used to, but not far from it.  The quote above, is a perfect example of a "truth" that has been repeated so many times by that lobby that no one questions it... even though an important part of it is patently false to anyone who's done research in the area.
 
Smoking does NOT make health costs "skyrocket."  Since smokers tend to die several years earlier than nonsmokers they actually end up reducing overall societal health costs.  Is it a good thing that they die earlier?  Of course not.  But should the cost be lied about as part of the campaign to increase taxes even in the face of the smuggling, deaths, and disrespect for legal authority that outrageous taxes generate?
 
If you doubt my contention, please go to cantiloper.tripod.com and read "Taxes, Social Cost, and the MSA" and you will find that what I say is very well backed up. 
 
And then step back for a moment and think: If they're lying about something that's so patently obvious with even a little bit of easily checked research, how much more are they lying about the "deadly threat" of wisps of smoke in well-ventilated businesses, a claim that's based on far more equivocal data and on data that is far more difficult to check? 
 
Antismokers believe they are working for "the greater good" and they believe that lying, even a lot of lying, is justified if it reduces smoking.  But along the way a lot of good people are suffering and I believe that the amount of suffering imposed by universal smoking bans and taxes of several hundred percent significantly outweigh the suffering that some degree of increased smoking without these bans and taxes would produce.
 
As public figures I believe it is important that you take care not to simply parrot the sound bites you get from antismoking lobbyists and organizations, sound bites that have been carefully crafted by their well-paid PR staffs and firms.  The next time you're taking a vote on a smoking-related issue, or making a statement on one, remember how you were lied to about the "health costs" and take some time to investigate the real facts behind the situation at hand.
 
That's the sort of public trust people place in you when they elect you, and it's one you should never neglect.
 
Michael J. McFadden
Author of Dissecting Antismokers' Brains
Mid-Atlantic Director, Citizens Freedom Alliance, Inc.
Director, Pennsylvania Smokers' Action Network (PASAN) http://pasan.TheTruthIsALie.com



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